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MrT
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 16:35:20
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Hi,
I often walk through the Ham Manor estate, along East Drive or Ham Manor Way and into West Drive. I think Ham Manor Way is a public footpath but the other roads have signs at each end warning me it isn't a public right of way.
It is a lovely area to walk around, quiet (apart from the golf-course machines), birdsong, squirrels, interesting houses. Nobody's ever attempted to prevent me walking there but can anyone tell me why they have those off-putting signs? Cars use those roads to get to the golf club, would the residents prefer me to fetch my car rather than walk?
Best regards
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 17:34:21
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Welcome, MrT.
I also wondered why the signs went up in 2009 - probably because it's a private estate. Maybe it was primarily aimed at stopping kids cutting through on the way to The Angmering School. If it is used by the public continuously, it could eventually be claimed as a public right of way which obviously residents would not want.
Actually trying to stop people walking down East and West Drives, however, is another matter. |
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Poppy P
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 13:39:47
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The signs were put up to deter people taking a short cut to the new Bowling Alley next to Esporta. However, as that project seems to have ground to a halt the signs are a waste of space.
There's even one at the bottom of South Drive, a few yards away from a signpost stating the path up the side of South drive IS a Public Footpath. |
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jammer
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 19:02:10
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| Incidentally, I know this is slightly off-topic, but does anybody know what hapened to the Bowling alley project? Is it cancelled now? |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Feb 2010 : 13:28:07
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Posted - 08 Feb 2010 : 21:56:29
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Hello,
Some roads are owned by the Golf Club.
Ham Manor Residents Association pay an annual charge to maintain the roads on the estate. East Drive is owned by the residents that live there, making it a private road. The upkeep is costly, and cars that do not have a right of access to the houses there are often met with a gate closure. Cars are sent back back down to the main road.
East Drive does not give a right of access to the school, neither is there a public right of way down East Drive. The South Drive access might seem like a desirable short cut en route to school or the village, especially when traffic is backed up down the carriageway, but it is not a public road.
The public footpath runs up South Drive up through Ham Manor Way only.
Sorry about the off-putting signs, but they are correct, and they were never meant to be a waste of space. |
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 12:10:48
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| Sorry, I forgot to say that the Golf Club spend money on the roads that they own, as well as the Resident's contributing. |
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jammer
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 13:26:01
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I pay an annual charge for the upkeep of roads too. Its called road tax. The only difference is our roads dont seems to get maintained   |
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Bert
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 14:53:43
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It's not "..the only difference.." Jammer.
Those living on private roads, also pay road tax for their vehicles, AND pay for the upkeep of their roads. |
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jammer
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 15:16:19
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Originally posted by Bert
It's not "..the only difference.." Jammer.
Those living on private roads, also pay road tax for their vehicles, AND pay for the upkeep of their roads.
Lighten up Bert! I thought that was an obvious joke but oh well! |
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jammer
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 15:18:17
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Besides, you cant keep us riff-raff out for free you know!
(Another joke Bert before you take offence!0 |
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Bert
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 15:27:30
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jammer, what makes you think that I wasn't joking, exactly the same as you?
(ps I don't live on Ham Manor) |
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jammer
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 15:49:26
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Originally posted by Bert
jammer, what makes you think that I wasn't joking, exactly the same as you?
(ps I don't live on Ham Manor)
True true!, I appologise if you were joking. A little tip though, the use of an emoticon (smiley ) etc etc. signify humour where it cant be conveyed vocally Thus avoiding any confusion in the matter.
No hard feelings
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Bert
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 17:02:59
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No problem jammer, now back to that walk round Ham Manor |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 18:20:19
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| I saw this morning they'd closed the white gates across East Drive, is this their annual Closing Day or was there some other reason? |
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neil
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 18:51:51
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 19:26:12
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The gates are closed at the South Drive/West Drive junction when traffic from the main road comes up South Drive and attempts to cut through South Drive. Local residents from East Drive man the gates as they are entitled to do, as it is a private road which they pay for on a private basis, and not part of the main public highway available to all road users. Some of the drainage and repair work has been very costly. The problem is worse when there is a backup of traffic going towards Worthing, with a tempting little short cut through East Drive. The gates at the top may be operated as well sometimes, though I haven't seen this. There have been issues with cars trying to access the school, especially if they are late, with some interesting results.
South Drive too is a private road, and owned by the Golf Club. Despite this, people come and park their cars there and then take their dogs for a "walk" along the only public area which is the Public Footpath. The Residents Association pay an annual fee to use the roads and maintain them. Ham Manor Way is also private, with a Public Fotpath allowing acces through to the Village Centre over the Golf Club.
I wonder if the same sort of use of private roads happens on the Sea Lane Estate? |
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jammer
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 07:21:00
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An interesting snippet from:
http://www.privateroads.co.uk/AboutPRandE.html
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Private roads (also known as "unadopted roads") are different in that they don't belong to the local authority, and the local authority is not under a duty to maintain them. But a private road may nonetheless be a highway for one or more classes of traffic. A private road can become a highway through use by the public over a period of time. Private through-roads sometimes become highways in this way, though private cul-de-sacs rarely do so. (Whether a public right of way exists for mechanically propelled vehicles depends also upon the effect of Part 6 of the Natural Environment and Rural Communities Act 2006, which came into effect on 2 May 2006. This extinguished public rights of way for mechanically-propelled vehicles in many private roads.)
Not sure if it applies here or not |
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neil
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 08:02:34
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This may be of interest to the residents of Honey Lane who seem to be concerned at the state of that lane at present! Several were at the meeting with MP Nick Herbert at the Village Hall on 13 February when they seemed to be urging action by the parish council.
Sorry if this is going slightly off topic. If anyone wants to discuss the Honey Lane situation, perhaps they could start a new topic. |
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BRAM
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 17:36:23
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Perhaps APC could consider the following at the next meeting:
Strategic placement of razor fencing,searchlight & machine gun placements to delineate the public & private road network in the village with regular security dog patrols to prevent trespass. |
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 19:15:47
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| How about a charge for driving on private roads instead? Much more user friendly, it could be made into a toll road. |
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compost
Advanced Member
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 20:28:45
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As the roads on the Bramley Green estate are "un-adopted" does that mean we can gate them off and introduce toll charges - sounds good - could be a good business prop for some one. (Should be a smiley face there)
I was brought up in a private road that adopted a gate system One end, cars could enter but not get out, caused twice as much wear on the road as people turned round and came back down. It did not seem to deter them from hoping that the gate would be open on future trips down the road.
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BFA
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Guiseppe
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 23:04:40
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[quote]Originally posted by BFA
You were lucky - we used t' live in t' septic tank
You were lucky - we were so poor we couldn't even pay attention !
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jammer
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Posted - 25 Feb 2010 : 07:17:24
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Originally posted by compost
As the roads on the Bramley Green estate are "un-adopted" does that mean we can gate them off and introduce toll charges
My point exactly! |
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Commuter
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Feb 2010 : 10:21:18
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The speed humps on Ham Manor are so harsh that I can't imagine that anyone who values their car tries a short cut through there more than once. As for closing the gates - go for it, it's you and yours who will have to wait for those vital extra minutes when the ambulance or fire engine can't get in via the quickest route.
As for BG, I thought that you'd already created enough obstacles with the car parking situation on there? I expect that half of the residents of BG are at risk of burning to death whilst the fire engine is trying to find a route in which avoids the selfish parking. |
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rogp
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Feb 2010 : 14:22:35
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Just to clarify, the speed humps were put in to stop cars 'shortcutting' so appears they are working, not so good for those of us who live here so have no choice but to try to drive over them without bottoming our exhaust. (and yes its been mentioned many times to the residents association to make them less harsh, but nothing doing)
Also as DownSouth mentions earlier, the gates are always manned by volunteers when closed, so no chance of any problems with emergency services getting through. |
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MrT
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Feb 2010 : 18:07:35
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I want to walk along the road, not drive my car down it! Would those volunteers seek to stop a pedestrian, or would they nod politely and open the gate?
Just trying to avoid confrontation. I could always walk up Ham Manor Way and along the footpath that emerges by the doctor's but that's very muddy at the moment! |
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rogp
Junior Member
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Posted - 26 Feb 2010 : 19:40:19
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| I don't man the gate myself but we know a number of people who live in the Dell who like to go for a walk to the Golf Club and back for some excercise, so I would hope you would be ok.........I believe the gates are mostly manned around the morning rush hour, not sure how frequent. |
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 20:11:49
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Originally posted by MrT
I want to walk along the road, not drive my car down it! Would those volunteers seek to stop a pedestrian, or would they nod politely and open the gate?
Just trying to avoid confrontation. I could always walk up Ham Manor Way and along the footpath that emerges by the doctor's but that's very muddy at the moment!
Well, the fact is there are no public roads on Ham Manor, and there is no right of access except for the residents. This applies where there are all private roads. Ham Manor is no exception. Does anyone out there go for a walk on the Sea Lane Estate? |
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 20:18:29
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Originally posted by rogp
Just to clarify, the speed humps were put in to stop cars 'shortcutting' so appears they are working, not so good for those of us who live here so have no choice but to try to drive over them without bottoming our exhaust. (and yes its been mentioned many times to the residents association to make them less harsh, but nothing doing)
Also as DownSouth mentions earlier, the gates are always manned by volunteers when closed, so no chance of any problems with emergency services getting through.
The speed bumps are there to stop excessive speeding. There have been near misses because of mad drivers. They were made bigger at some point to slow cars down even more. A car hit a brick wall by going much too fast! There is a nasty bend approaching the Golf Course, and it gets very narrow. Bends and speeding don't mix well!
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doug
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 20:51:07
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Does anyone out there go for a walk on the Sea Lane Estate?
can't be bothered to see what sort of people need to be ghettoed away lol
reading through this post it would seem feudal england is alive and kicking offcourse you dont want the phlebs peering through your windows
i think rise and fall bollards, razor wire, private American security forces and m15 carbines would soon solve the tresspassing issues
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Commuter
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 10:52:32
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Originally posted by doug
Does anyone out there go for a walk on the Sea Lane Estate?
can't be bothered to see what sort of people need to be ghettoed away lol
reading through this post it would seem feudal england is alive and kicking offcourse you dont want the phlebs peering through your windows
i think rise and fall bollards, razor wire, private American security forces and m15 carbines would soon solve the tresspassing issues
Maybe it's the overhead power lines so close to Ham Manor which are slowly inducing paranoia? Having driven through Ham Manor a couple of times (for legitimate reasons to get to functions at the golf club) I would never voluntarily subject my car to the exhaust destryoing speed humps, so would be amazed if many people regularly use it as a short cut. I really hope that if I ever reach the position of being able afford to live in a place such as HM that I have better things to do with my life than man check-point charlie gates at the crack of dawn, just in case someone dares to drive along my private tarmac. |
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rogp
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Posted - 06 Mar 2010 : 14:21:08
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The speed bumps are there to stop excessive speeding. There have been near misses because of mad drivers. They were made bigger at some point to slow cars down even more. A car hit a brick wall by going much too fast! There is a nasty bend approaching the Golf Course, and it gets very narrow. Bends and speeding don't mix well!
The bumps you refer to near the bend are on West Drive, they aren't too bad to drive over and as you say do the job to slow down cars on the way to the Golf Club. The ones I refer to are on East Drive, which are horrendous and I thought were increased in size originally to discourage shortcutting from the Littlehampton side to Station Road, as well as slowing them down. You could argue that this also discourages traffic through the village as cars carry on down the A259 and may be more likely to go straight on through the roundabout towards the bypass.
Either way as a resident of HM I would prefer the humps were made a lot easier to save my exhaust, at the risk of a few cars driving past my house. Was raised at the time installation by a number of people but overruled. More's the pity.......
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