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GrumpyGirl
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 11:28:29
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Depends what is meant by 'informed'. It seems clear from even the clarifications above that plenty of people knew about the school expansion plans, at least in general terms even if not the detail. Common sense suggests that any major building work will involve lorries etc and that there are only a couple of access routes which could be used. So really what is being said by the protesters is that we didn't pay much attention to the process in good time, so didn't lobby the PC at an earlier stage. We'll now blame the PC for not reading our minds and undertake some last minute on the ground protest, interfere with lorry drivers just doing what they are told to do and be surprised when they swear at us (this is not an excuse for abusive or speeding lorry drivers, but most of us wouldn't take kindly to random members of the public stopping us doing our jobs). My prediction of what will happen next:
1. a few more protests
2. the police will get involved, threaten a few people with arrest for breaching the peace, blocking the highway etc
3. protesters will back down and start new threads on this site asking why the police don't arrest vandalising hoodies etc rather than picking on innocent householders
4. scared off by 'the law' the protest will vanish (but continue apace on this site!)
5. building work will continue as originally planned.
So adapting from an early part of Hitchhiker's Guide why not skip 1-4 and go straight to 5.?
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 11:31:12
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| Just the sort of defeatist unconstructive comments one should expect from a non-BG resident Commuter. Perhaps if all this was happening in your road you would feel differently and your neighbours could also rely on your support ? |
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BRAM
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Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 14:25:10
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Commuter
With such foresight & powers of prediction I am surprised that you don't apply your talents to picking Lotttery numbers. |
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Nick2020
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Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 22:41:35
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Adoption of roads is usually delayed because the developers do not reach the standard agreed when the planning consent was given.
In this case the roads need to ne improve to bring average speeds down – the developer knows what has to be done and it is not in the interest of the West Sussex Council Tax payer to adopt the road and make the modifications necessary. After all it was the developer who benefited through the sale of the houses.
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Mr Angry
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Posted - 19 Aug 2009 : 23:31:10
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Originally posted by GrumpyGirl
Just the sort of defeatist unconstructive comments one should expect from a non-BG resident Commuter.
So GG - that's how you see things then is it?
The owner of this very site, who makes it even possible for you to vent, is a non-BG resident - has he been defeatist/unconstructive?
Bert is a non-BG resident and he's firmly on your side.
I could go on (you'd better believe it!)
I'm a non-BG resident and I've had many positive things, to say about BG - the place and the people.
I've also had many other things to say about the village on this forum - so has Bert and so has Commuter and Neil - many more too - we've even banged on about totally non-village things God forbid - like the Tour of France, the odd joke, happy things, events near and far - but (pretty much) all you've beaten your gums about is your own home 20!
So - how do you think you come over to a 'non-BG resident' - how do you think anyone residing in the village, but outside of BG likes to be referred to as a 'non-BG resident'?
To me, and no doubt to the biggest % of BG residents who have probably never even logged on to this website, you come over as a vexation to the spirit and I have nothing more to say to you unless you can make me smile - or even LOL!
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 10:21:54
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| Rest assured Mr A - despite the lack of reciprocity, as a fellow Angmering resident I will be happy to support you if/when you have a cause to complain in the future about the Council(s) actions or lack of actions. |
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BRAM
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 16:08:26
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WSCC have already admitted that BG roads are up to adoptable standard - see statement by Duncan Barratt
Service Manager Local Development, West Sussex County Council dated 11th august 2009 published on the Newspage of APC website which states:
"The roads have been built to adoptable standards. The County Council is therefore satisfied that the drainage and other underground services will not be affected by these works."
The 20mph issue is merely a delaying tactic & the fact that the original developers are ignoring correspondence clearly indcates that the delay will become even more protracted.WSCC presumably have a legally binding Section 106 agreement in place & so can take whatever action is necessary to ensure that the developers meet the cost of any measures.
Perhaps WSCC could look to Oxfordshire County Council which has announced that following extensive consultation lasting several months, the county council cabinet member for transport has made a decision on behalf of the council to introduce 20 mph speed limits on most roads inside the city limits. The decision makes Oxford only the second city in Britain (after Lib Dem-run Portsmouth) to introduce the lower speed limit on a such a wide scale.
Unfortunately national police policies are against using their resources to monitor and enforce 20 mph speed limits & so the use of roundels painted onto road surfaces is widely supported, rather than relying just on small roadside speed signs. Roundels have been successfully used in Oxford in the Cowley Road 20 mph zone. Where police have taken enforcement action against drivers exceeding the 20 mph speed limit elsewhere, people often claim that they were not aware that they were in a 20 mph zone.
It should therefore not be beyond the wit of WSCC to follow Oxfords example in BG without massive cost to the council taxpayers.
By the way the developers were not the only party to benefit from the construction & sale of BG properties. What about the deal transacted with the local authorities which benefited, among others,the local primary school as well as Angmering villagers generally in the provision of land & cash contribution towards the CC? |
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Mr Angry
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 19:24:31
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Not to mention our fabulous bypass and traffic management system!
"We're going to build 600 houses in your village"
(BOOOO)
"But we're going to throw in a bypass, we know you want a bypass"
(HOORAY - YIPPEE)
"NO-one in their right mind will use it though as it passes the wrong side of the village - the village will still be the easiest/fastest route"
(BOOOOO)
"But that's OK - we'll introduce some traffic calming measures to make the bypass more attactive" (Stuff the extra distance/impact on the environment)
(HOORAY ... er - we think)
"Here ya go - have 5 pinch points on the main through route - OK it may make life miserable for anyone wanting to come TO the village as well as THROUGH - but, well, stuff it, we've built our houses now - do we look bothered?"
(BOOOOOOO - GRRRRRRRRR, what have you done to our luverly village)
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BRAM
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 22:51:08
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Mr Angry
I suspect that the bypass was more of a long term provision for the 1000+ houses yet to be built to the east of Angmering not for BG, as it is easier for BG traffic to use the A259.
But like jezRP & his family I'm sure that Angmering will welcome them all as they did with The Dell, Ham Manor & BG incomers.
Still no point in blowing a gasket, as they say "It's only a gameshow!" |
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Mr Angry
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Posted - 20 Aug 2009 : 23:32:14
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Originally posted by BRAM
I suspect that the bypass was more of a long term provision for the 1000+ houses yet to be built to the east of Angmering not for BG, as it is easier for BG traffic to use the A259.
We (us wot lived here before BG was built) were led to believe we were getting a real, proper bypass - no-one thought it was 'FOR' BG - just a bypass to take through-traffic away from us - great!
But some of us put 2+2 together when the plans were published and came to the same conclusion you have - I've said the same over and over on this forum.
We were not being given a damn thing (OK - eventually many drivers that don't know any better would use it) A developer built it; developers do nothing for nothing, and we are left with the sodding pinch points that are supposed to make it the lesser of two evils - but it's not - the village through-route is - it's DEFINITELY still the route I'd choose if I wanted to get from the A27 to Rustington or Littlehampton.
Those living in the Dell still come through the vilage like they always did, even though the bypass would bring them to within a few hundred metres of their station road junction.
The same people - developers, county and district council, are responsible for this traffic management abortion and so are they for many BG problems being discussed on this forum.
Thing is, the school extension will be built and the trucks will go; eventually the BG roads will be adopted, yobs will get bored with trashing the skatepark and the Noddy pond - or they will get removed/filled in, (not the yobs, but it would be nice) or more properties/amenities will be built around them.
Not sure about the community centre and (at least) its parking problems, so for us 'Non-BG residents' let's call that 'Pinch Point/bypass Revenge' - coz they are here to stay, and I can assure you that many many more people HATE those pinch points than hate the CC. |
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compost
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Posted - 21 Aug 2009 : 08:45:53
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Mr Angry, Commuter as always your comments are met with a barrage of opinions that differ from yours, so you must be wrong - right!!!!
No , your comments are common sense and show that no matter what we try to do - things will progress.
I love the countryside and wish to retain as much as poss, houses will go up.
Drivers will take the shortest route - so a by-pass does not always solve the issue.
Not being defeatist yet realistic.
So MR A and Commuter, keep up the reality check - you should both be on the PC.
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GreenFields
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 09:41:34
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Hi all
How did the blockade go yesterday? |
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neil
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 09:46:45
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GreenFields
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 09:50:45
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WOW!
Sorry first thing I always do is look at the forum.
Must say Neil, I didn't expect it to go on the news pages that quick. I will in future read the news page first.
Well done to all who attended  . |
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 10:31:09
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| Just to add that we also spoke with W.Stirland's construction site manager Philip White after the road blockade protest in Bramley Way yesterday morning. He was very sympathetic but of course the contractors are obliged to take their access instructions from WSCC. Residents will be concerned that in addition to the cavalcade of 35 ton lorries blighting lives in BG now and over the next 12 months, we will also see larger/wider vehicles transporting cranes etc. to the building site. Heaven knows how they will actually fit down these narrow roads and pinch-points, let alone the damage to property, parked cars, pavements and the roads they will undoubtedly cause. More protests by residents and their families will be needed for sure. |
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240felicia
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 17:26:22
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They have been bringing in these kind of vehicles to build the houses still under construction at the NE corner of Bramley Green off and on for the whole time my family has been here and there has never been anybody protesting about that traffic. (diggers, cranes, concrete lorries, big trucks full of soil etc.) As far as I know it has never caused a problem.
Maybe that is why they did not think there would be an issue with accessing through BG, because at no time until now has anybody jumped up and down about it with all the other building work that has gone on without complaint in other parts of the estate.
In our street, we have put up with occasional heavy construction traffic the whole time we've lived here, and we have had no alternative but to put up with it, as there is no other reasonable way for them to get to the site...
I assume that nobody protested because there was no alternative, and quite possibly because as far as I know they have not caused any problems other than the occasional delay.
So in a way, those people protesting now are actually in the very fortunate position of having alternatives to campaign for.
Good luck to you, I hope you get what you want, but do consider that there are plenty of Bramley Green residents who have had to put up with a lot of construction traffic prior to this issue and have no choice but to accept it.
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Bert
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 17:45:42
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240felicia; there is certainly one big difference that immediately comes to mind.
Heavy traffic, actually involved with the construction of properties on BG, is one thing.
Heavy traffic, along residential roads, the residents along which, thought they had seen the last of, during construction; for a school that is not part of BG, and for which, does not have direct vehicular access, is quite another.
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 18:16:01
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| Couldn't agree more Bert. All the residents of BG who bought their houses new over the last few years have all lived with long periods of construction traffic around them working on BG houses for which there was clearly no alternative. For the school building there are 3 obvious and much more resident-friendly alternatives from the south (A259), west (Station Road) or east (Mayflower Way) that WSCC have either not considered at all or have rejected on very flimsy grounds without any apparent consideration of either the consequent disruption and danger to BG residents and their families over a very protracted period of 12 months, or the risk to non-BG school children who currently access the school via BG in substantial numbers during term time. Why APC did not register their objection to this when they reviewed the planning application last February is beyond words ! |
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neil
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 19:47:23
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Probably the simple truth is that the APC Planning Committee did not even think about the impact of traffic on BG. They are ordinary people with an average knowledge of the village, and probably rely on residents to draw aspects to their attention in many cases. I think we have to be very careful of pushing too much blame onto them. This also has to be put into context of the time the application was considered. They were short of councillors and the few they did have were stretched over a number of internal and external committees.
All of us are experts on our own patch, but I wonder how many of us know much about areas on the other side of the parish to ourselves.
Of course, the real villains are the WSCC! |
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BRAM
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 20:53:39
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240 felicia
Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 02:08:58 Show Profile Reply with Quote
"At time of this posting, I am (or was) the newest member on the parish council.
As Patty has said, parish councillors are not actually allowed (by law) to comment on council activities on behalf of the council on the forum, only their personal opinion.
What I am trying to say is that it is quite possible that various councillors do act on, or are trying to act on issues brought up here, but as individual representatives of the parish council they cannot comment on council activities.
This can leave the impression that comments are falling on deaf ears, but this in many cases I am sure is not the case.
Personally I have joined the council with the motive of doing something useful for my local community, and also to help make the council more representative of the population of Angmering, as I am the youngest person on the council (at the moment) and a resident of Bramley Green.
I do feel slightly uncomfortable with the concept of not being elected, but I hope that I will have the opportunity to give my time to make a significant contribution to the village, and hopefully prove a worthy member of the council.
Anyone can attend the Parish Council meeting next Monday, and if you have a question, there is the opportunity put it to the council in person."
Posted - 11 Aug 2009 : 23:51:35 Show Profile Reply with Quote
"I am reliably informed that last night was the most public in attendance at an Angmering Parish Council meeting for some time.
I thought it was great to see so many people actually taking an interest and making the time to get involved in community issues.
Thanks Neil for your response to Grumpygirl's observation which I assume was about me... succinctly put, it's what I would have said myself had I not been busy all evening at the environment committee meeting.
Here it is less succinctly... I know that the people on Angmering Parish Council are a collection of individuals who behind the scenes actually do work hard for the benefit of the whole village.
Established councillors have prior knowledge on issues. It would not be appropriate for someone new (like myself) to interject when there are others better equipped with this prior knowledge to respond to questions in the room.
Not every member of the public spoke at the meeting either, I don't see you questioning why they were there.
It was because they care about the issues raised last night.
In my opinion that is surely why people (like myself) join the Parish Council, because they are pro-active about the issues that affect Angmering.
There is nothing constructive in criticising somebody who cares about the same things as you do."
Your latest posting dated 22 August shows that you are content to maintain the status quo within APC & are unlikely to serve the residents you claim to represent. I suggest therefore that you reconsider your position as an APC councillor.
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derekdainton
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 21:17:04
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BRAM
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 22:35:16
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if you don't like it - don't read it. |
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240felicia
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Posted - 22 Aug 2009 : 23:43:25
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yawn...
(feel free to skip this post, it's long, and may send you to sleep)
Do we really have to go over all that stuff you quoted again
At no point have I said I was happy with the "status quo" you refer to.
And I have no idea how you have concluded that I'm "unlikely to serve the residents you claim to represent".
That statement is totally unfounded, unhelpful and there really is nothing more I have to say to you on that but that I will be staying. I was considering quitting due to issues at home which have made it difficult to spend evening after evening in long meetings, but your glib comment has made me determined to stick around for the long term, so many thanks for the kick up the backside, and I hope I can have your support in representing and contributing to the village/parish of Angmering as best I can, as that has always been and always will be my intention.
I personally, along with many BG residents I am sure, have written to Derek W to express my dissatisfaction with the current situation, as at no point was I made aware that the traffic for the school buildings would come through the estate. I make no excuses for what has happened. I agree totally that the traffic is inappropriate to be coming through BG, but I fail to see how my personal experience mentioned in my last post in any way means I am a hypocrite, nor does it mean I do not care, or do not think the cause being protested about is a valid one.
Not exactly sure anyone else will be doing anything but yawning reading my posts... I certainly don't feel the need to defend myself to you BRAM, nor anyone else who has criticised me for writing on here, online or offline, as I have done nothing wrong.
Back to the subject of this thread, I am no planning expert, but was wondering if anyone can recall if there was an orange planning application notice displayed on Rowan Way at all by the developer?
Seeing as this is the access route, it would have been appropriate, but from the Arun DC planning guidelines, it seems they send out one notice which the applicant can display "near the proposed site" which it seems to me was insufficient in this case as that would have been at the school, so at no point would average resident have known that the planning application affected the Bramley Green estate roads.
It would appear (from a laymans point of view) that the planning process does not properly make provision for such an occasion where unexpected alternative access routes like this are proposed, and perhaps we should be pressing for the people who actually granted planning permission to explain to all concerned why we were not better informed of this issue before it was approved.
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Mr Angry
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 00:45:01
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Bram,
It took me quite a few attempts to make sense of your post above - I got half way down and thought you had joined the PC and were its youngest member.
There is a quote facility - failing that you could have put Felicia's words in a different colour. I doubt if most went to the trouble I did to make sense of it all, and I think you've gone to some trouble for nothing. But anyway, the gist of what I ended up with - and it's your own fault for not using forum features if I'm wrong, is that you are a bully.
Felicia lives where you do and does not go with the flow - that would be enough, but worse, she's a Parish Councillor and from what I read from her posts, just what the PC needs and I'm glad that your comments have had the exact opposite effect to what you desired.
Dig your heels in Felicia - no yawns here.
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neil
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 07:24:00
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Originally posted by 240felicia
Back to the subject of this thread, I am no planning expert, but was wondering if anyone can recall if there was an orange planning application notice displayed on Rowan Way at all by the developer?
Seeing as this is the access route, it would have been appropriate, but from the Arun DC planning guidelines, it seems they send out one notice which the applicant can display "near the proposed site" which it seems to me was insufficient in this case as that would have been at the school, so at no point would average resident have known that the planning application affected the Bramley Green estate roads.
It would appear (from a laymans point of view) that the planning process does not properly make provision for such an occasion where unexpected alternative access routes like this are proposed, and perhaps we should be pressing for the people who actually granted planning permission to explain to all concerned why we were not better informed of this issue before it was approved.
Very good point, 240felicia. I would not be surprised if ADC missed putting the planning notices in BG on the east of the school. They certainly put them by the school in Greenwood Drive. One was also posted at the pedestrian entrance to the school in Station Road/Greenwood Drive. |
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 08:50:55
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It is a fact that WSCC's planning application A/11/09 (from their Executive Director, Adults & Children) for the new school building was determined not by Arun District Council but by WSCC (Environment & Planning) themselves, permission being granted on 5 May 2009. WSCC appears to be judge, jury and executioner on this.
It is also a fact that WSCC's planning application stated "Yes" to the question "Have you consulted your neighbours or the local community about the proposal ?" Clearly that answer is not true in respect of the use of the BG roads for access.
It is also a fact that Angmering Parish Council were aware of and reviewed that planning application, as evidenced by their letter to WSCC on 23 Feb 2009 giving no objection other than re access via Greenwood Drive. Since APC were clearly concerned therefore about the issue of access route, and the planning application includes the statement "the temporary road (inside the construction site) ... connects to the existing access point on the roundabout in Bramley Green estate", why did APC not consider this worthy of objection ?
It is also a fact, as 240Felicia has observed, that no notices as to the planning application were put on display by WSCC anywhere in Bramley Green at the time, either close to the building site entrance at the end of Rowan Way or elsewhere. Neither do I recall any notice being displayed on the APC notice board in the Square or elsewhere.
The very limited advertising that there was of the planning application simply referred to the proposed school building, not to the use of the BG roads for access to the building site. The 3 Feb Public Exhibition at the School was simply advertised in that way and gave no information that would have indicated cause for concern to BG residents.
Why did APC not take action (as is surely their duty in law under the Local Government Act in representing the public interest of their parishioners) to ensure that BG residents were made aware of the proposed access route ? On something that impacts 2,000 residents of this parish, that is more than disappointing and there really is no acceptable excuse. |
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neil
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 09:21:53
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Planning application A/11/09 was issued by Arun District Council (ADC) although it was determined by WSCC. As always, as you rightly point out GrumpyGirl, WSCC act as judge, jury and executioner which is appalling. However, it would have been ADC who posted the orange planning notices, and not WSCC. WSCC would have relied on ADC posting the notices in appropriate prominent positions.
So the prime responsibility of notifying all affected residents would have been ADC and not Angmering Parish Council. In making their comments on the application, APC may have not considered the BG access for the reasons given in my posting yesterday. Notwithstanding that, I wonder whether any parish councillors went to the Open Exhibition at the School in February. If they had, they might just have recognised that the site access on BG could present a problem. |
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240felicia
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 09:24:13
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Just to be clear on this, I live on Bramley Green, so the construction traffic issue affects me as I walk along the affected roads with my children.
I am not on the Parish Council planning committee, and I only recently joined the council.
You are highly unlikely to get answers to these questions on this forum, you would need to put them through the office or bring them up next monthly council meeting at the public questions period. |
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GrumpyGirl
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 11:19:36
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Originally posted by 240felicia
Just to be clear on this, I live on Bramley Green, so the construction traffic issue affects me as I walk along the affected roads with my children.
I am not on the Parish Council planning committee, and I only recently joined the council.
You are highly unlikely to get answers to these questions on this forum, you would need to put them through the office or bring them up next monthly council meeting at the public questions period.
Dear 240Felicia - I and several other residents have asked the APC explicitly in e-mails over the last month to answer these questions. The silence in response is deafening. |
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BRAM
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 11:22:44
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240felicia
If my "kick up your backside" managed to get you to at last contribute to the debate by posing the question regarding orange planning application notices then I consider my posting as worth it.None of your co councillors have even considered such aspects so hopefully if you stay on APC,as you threaten, then you will continue to use such commonsense in representing residents rather than vegetating as you apparently have the thick skin to survive.
I am prepared to support anyone/anything that improves both BG & Angmering generally but that does not mean accepting the inertia & incompetence by APC.Having spent a substantial amount of money on purchasing my property & the ongoing highway robbery which local authorities like to call council tax I am not prepared to sit idly by while my main asset depreciates.
Mr Angry
Apologies for not displaying the technical expertise & flair that you use on this forum.I can only say that perhaps your IT training was better than mine.
By the way if you consider me a bully then I can only say that it takes one to know one as your own rants have on occasion been far more vitriolic than mine. |
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Bert
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 16:42:53
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APC website news desk contains two statements from WSCC. Some of the questions being asked, are answered in these statements, albeit some will not like the answers.
APC may feel they do not have to provide an additional statement or information, themselves.
But, as GrumpyGirl indicates, she and others have e-mailed APC directly and have received no response.
This must be unacceptable from Parish Council representatives.
If questions have been asked of APC, in respect of action or inaction, on the part of APC, in this saga, which is very important to those directly affected, and there are additional matters raised that are not in the WSCC statements; then APC have a responsibility to answer them directly to the enquirer or on their website, by way of additional information.
It is simple to answer easy questions, but not so simple to answer more difficult questions, but both are entitled to be answered.
APC ignoring e-mails from residents is certainly not the answer, and they would do themselves more credit by providing the information required.
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Mr Angry
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 16:56:01
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Originally posted by BRAM
By the way if you consider me a bully then I can only say that it takes one to know one as your own rants have on occasion been far more vitriolic than mine.
Quote some then! |
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BRAM
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 17:17:00
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Mr Angry
In order to restore detente I concede that you are the friendliest,mildest mannered & bubbliest poster on the forum & will endorse any application for your canonisation.
Now can we return to the thread? |
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BRAM
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 17:22:20
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Neil
In your News item covering the Road Protest at Bramley Green (2) you mention a letter from APC to WSCC dated 19 August. I have not seen this posted on APC's News Desk page(surprise,surprise) so please can you tell me where this letter can be viewed. |
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neil
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Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 19:11:35
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| BRAM, I'm away at present and have not got access to the letter. Others may be able to provide you with a copy. Alternatively, go into the APC office and ask to see the letter. |
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BRAM
Advanced Member
373 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2009 : 20:20:01
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Neil
Thanks I have now obtained a copy. |
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GrumpyGirl
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2009 : 19:23:48
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Following the residents protest against the contractors' heavy lorries in Bramley Way today, Bob Ingram & colleague(s) from WSCC have agreed to come to a public meeting with concerned residents in this community at 10am this Thursday 27th August. The meeting will take place on the pavement in Bramley Way near to Sunnyside Close.
WSCC have been asked to :
1) answer satisfactorily the points and concerns collectively raised recently by various residents in writing and by e-mail
2) explain why they have either failed to consider or have rejected alternative access routes via the A259, Station Road or Mayflower Way
3) explain why they believe that the use of BG's roads is acceptable given the consequent disruption and endangerment to the safety of local residents and school children
4) explain the lack of communication and consultation as to the proposed access route with BG residents at the time of WSCC's planning application in January; and
5) explain why BG residents were only made aware of the invasion of lorries on receipt on 28th July of the letter from W.Stirland the contractors.
It would be really good if as many concerned residents as possible attended this meeting. |
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himnme
Junior Member
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 07:49:58
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Just my twopenneth....
Are all those Bramley Way whiners the very same people who endanger both drivers and pedestrians by parking on Bramley Way at the pinch points, over the Give Way markings and on the roundabout?
If so - crank your necks in and stop being such feeble nimbys.
Why weren't you so apolplectic over the 24 houses currently under construction - far more "lethal" traffic movements from that development as it is a small scale.
Maybe if the selfish idiots in Bramley Way read their deeds and understood that parking on the road is prohibited (for the safety of pedestrians and the benefit of a pleasant street scene for everyone else) and stopped parking their cars selfishly people might have more sympathy for them.
As it is, given the fact that planning for a whole new school was highlighted in searches on Bramley Green as far back as 2002, these silly people need to get a life and devote themselves to something a little more constructive - like emptying all the crap out of the garages and using them to park their Chelsea Tractors.
If you did that you'd barely notice the deliveries to the site as the lorries would be able to pass easily and quickly.....
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GreenFields
Average Member
United Kingdom
65 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 08:12:20
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Himnme, Most people don't see there parking as the problem. I think your comments are spot on.
That issue is down to the design of the estate. If you walk around the North of the development where a lot of houses have drives there's far less parking on the road. Problem is having a block of garages up to 100 yards from your front door people aren't going to use them. Specially if your unloading shopping etc, on your own with small kids. You're going to park as close as possible to your front door.
In 2004 I walked round the estate and there were 120+ cars parked on the roads, 27 blocking the pavements. I wonder what that total would be now!
They wanted to style the estate on the Angmering Village but this aspect (no drive ways) they got very wrong.
Sorry we've gone off the thread here and I'm starting to moan as well. I suppose it shows we care or am I now a true BG resident!!!
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ruffage
Senior Member
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 10:11:00
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quote:
Originally posted by himnme
like emptying all the crap out of the garages and using them to park their Chelsea Tractors.
These days single garages aren't made big enough to fit a small hatchback in, let alone an SUV. Our 1982 Dell property won't accomodate our small hatchback, so it has to stay on the drive. |
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