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NewGirl
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 12:40:37
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| I have to respectfully disagree Bram, my (Bramley Green) garage is quite big enough to fit a seven seater car and three adult bicycles. My next door neighbour's can fit a medium sized car, plus a washing machine and tumble dryer - garages are now being built bigger than they were a few years ago. I agree, unloading shopping and children can be best done outside the front door, but what's stopping everyone moving their cars after they unload them? Could it perhaps be laziness? |
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BRAM
Advanced Member
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Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 14:53:16
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NewGirl
Not guilty on this one I haven't posted anything.
I don't have a garage & I'm not the only troublemaker in the village. |
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NewGirl
Junior Member
United Kingdom
14 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2009 : 19:23:29
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 Apologies Bram - I was replying to Ruffage's charitable comment that Bramley Green garages might be too small. |
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Bert
Advanced Member
484 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 18:49:17
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| A very good article on this saga, on BBC South Today, at about 6.35 this evening. TV cameras and a reporter on Bramley Way, providing a balanced article. I am sure one of our regular posters from BG will provide further details later. |
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 20:28:24
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| Is it very brief Bert? I have flicked through tonights episode on BBC website and haven't come across it. |
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 20:30:33
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| Ah ha! It was last nights episode I was watching they've just changed it |
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GrumpyGirl
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 20:47:33
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Agree with Bert. Very good coverage on the news item shown on BBC South today (at 1:30pm and 6:30pm) and the BBC have indicated they wish to "keep on the case" as things develop on this issue. For those who were unable to attend in Bramley Way this morning, around 25-30 concerned residents met with 3 officers of WSCC - Bob Ingram, Maxine Morrell and Patrica Flint - from the dept. dealing with the management of the school building project. Deborah Urquhart, the elected county councillor for Angmering & Findon also attended.
The residents who attended fully registered our complaints and concerns and there was much "discussion" as the WSCC officers were unable to provide many acceptable reasons for their rejection of alternative access routes other than claimed "financial cost". They admitted that they had not explored the possibility of obtaining rights of way to enable the alternative routes to be considered, as they believed the cost would be beyond their allocated budget. They also admitted that they had not considered the human cost and safety issues to BG residents, families and other school children using the BG roads for school access.
At the end of the meeting, the WSCC officers did commit to go back and review the possibility of each of the 3 alternative access routes that the residents have proposed, and ask their WSCC colleagues to consider suspending the heavy lorry traffic in the meantime. They have committed to provide feedback (but not necessarily answers or proposals for change) by the end of next week i.e. by Friday 4 Sept.
The WSCC officers who attended today were unable to answer any of our criticisms about lack of publicity of the planning application, lack of prior consultation with BG residents, and the false and misleading statements and omissions contained in the planning application. A letter of complaint on those issues has therefore been sent today to John Denham, Secretary of State for the Dept of Communities and Local Government, and to Nick Herbert our local MP.
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bgresident
Senior Member
United Kingdom
183 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 21:17:11
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Well done to all of you who attended today - great coverage on South Today. I am no longer in BG but I'm right behind you! Just goes to show what you can achieve when you stand up for what you believe. Keep it going - might come along to one of your road blockades if another one is organised.
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GrumpyGirl
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2009 : 21:25:16
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| BGResident: thanks for your support! may very well call on you if needed for our next road blockade. Just waiting for WSCC to respond. |
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240felicia
Senior Member
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jonah890
Average Member
39 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 11:12:03
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240felicia
its a very good article, (After the paper had gone to the trouble to print the article i dont think the publishers,editors and others that earn a living from this newspaper would like the comment about saving trees and them losing out on sales !!!) |
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240felicia
Senior Member
172 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 11:45:17
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Oh for goodness sake.
Why did you feel the need to say that? Having not joined in with the topic until now, have you nothing better to contribute to the discussion... 
If the newspaper were worried about sales, why would they run a website where you can read the article for free?
They make money from online advertising too you know.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Next time I find an article of interest to Angmering which can be viewed online, perhaps you would like me to keep it to myself and keep residents in the dark, just to help sell a couple more newspapers?
By the way, the little billboard outside Sainsburys for the Gazette last night read something like "Victory for Road Protesters" which is a little puzzling, think they have missed the point there somewhat, the matter has yet to be resolved...  |
hello nice to meet you ;o) |
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GrumpyGirl
Average Member
United Kingdom
88 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 12:02:59
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Agree with you 240Felicia, although not everyone of course has internet access even in this modern IT world so some trees will still need to be sacrificed (hopefully they'll be replaced by new planting).
Re Sainsbury's newspaper hoarding, suggest "Victory" is more than a little premature - we've won a small battle but the war still goes on. We're hopeful, although WSCC's past track record in ignoring objections and not changing their decisions does inevitably water down expectations. |
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neil
Forum Owner / Moderator
United Kingdom
2623 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 12:10:43
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I think there is place for both media. But people other than advertisers rely on the sale of newspapers to survive in business such as ditributors and the newsagents themselves. I would hate to see our newsagents in the village disappear as they rely on paper/magazine sales.
Whooa! I'm getting off-topic! |
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240felicia
Senior Member
172 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 12:37:02
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I don't expect people to stop buying newspapers altogether in order to save trees!
I recently bought a local paper with an article which I wanted to keep, and I was very conscious of the large amount of paper that went straight into my recycle bin unread.
So the facility to read an article online, for those of us who do not normally buy the paper, saves such unneccesary waste.
Back to the topic then...
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hello nice to meet you ;o) |
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jonah890
Average Member
39 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 13:19:44
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Hi 240felicia
I totally agree that it was the first time i commented on this subject,but have been reading it daily to see what is going on.This subject is very near to your heart and not mine,publishing print and newspapers are to me and not you thats why i made my comment.
I can see the BG point of view about the lorries and the safety of children and adults etc, and why they could not use another route.
On the other side of the coin is the school needs to be enlarged.
If the roads of BG had been adopted before the lorries started to arrive would the protest be going on ?
Also in your last comment to me about the News Papers "welcome to the 21st Century" Its all progress, |
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240felicia
Senior Member
172 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 14:06:10
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am sure others wont agree but in my opinion
the adoption of roads is one issue
the use of the roads for the 6th form construction is another
personally i think each issue should be kept separate
the lack of consultation and the possible danger & disturbance from the traffic are the major current concerns
the various people who have been protesting hold this issue more dearly to their hearts than i do, as i don't live in the affected streets - i am just trying to be helpful as i totally empathise
i am however thoroughly bored with people spending more time finding fault with everything i post than with actually saying something useful or constructive to the matter being discussed... even when i have just said here's a link, save a tree etc. somebody has to criticise
so i have nothing more to say
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hello nice to meet you ;o) |
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Guiseppe
Average Member
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 14:24:42
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Originally posted by anthony
Guiseppe, I have emailed WSCC voicing my opposition to the route intended for construction traffic as I agree it is completely unacceptable. Clearly there has been no thought involved with regard to the impact on residents or the potential safety issues.
By the way, I think I may know you... did I once eat in your pizzeria in Rome?
Yes Anthony I think I rememember you now !
Are you the guy who ordered extra helpings of everything and then left without leaving a tip ? |
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derekdainton
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 17:20:10
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As quoted in the Gazette piece, how many of the lorries are actually 35 ton? A fully loaded cement mixer as shown is less than half that weight. An academic point I guess, but it's easy to exaggerate and hype up the emotions.
As during the day, Bramley Green seems to be a bit of a ghost town anyway - very few people to be seen, perhaps the danger to life and limb is exaggerated as well. |
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BRAM
Advanced Member
373 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 17:33:36
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Whether 35 or 17.5 ton if it hit somebody they wouldn't survive & it would also make a mess on other vehicles or buildings. |
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derekdainton
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 18:03:32
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| I did say it was academic as, to take your point, so would a car for that matter. |
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John
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
499 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 20:05:30
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Well said DD.
As always common sense prevails in your posting |
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 20:24:45
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derekdainton, concrete trucks come in 6m3 and 8m3 sizes. The density of wet concrete is 2700kg/m3. 8 x 2.7= 21600kg. An 8m3 concrete trucks self weight is 11800kg. They also carry 200litres of water so thats another 200kg. Plus 60ish litres of diesel. Thats a total of approx 33660kg. Throw in a overweight driver too and its not far off 35ton.
Guiseppe, yes. I thought the shamrock shaped pizza base was taking fusion food too far. |
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derekdainton
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:06:09
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| Assuming your figures represent the trucks and loads actually being employed then I bow to your technical knowledge. So that's 35 tons going in and 21 tons coming out then. |
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apples
Junior Member
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:16:29
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Hopefully this problem will be solved to everyones satisfaction very soon.
However, knowing how WSX work and the time delays that can happen I wonder if I can suggest something without being accused of being really silly.
Obviously, ideally you want to stop all the tucks altogether, but supposing for some reason you cannot, I understand the main reason is that of safety for the children.
Why not therefore, get the council to install road barriers along both sides of the road (Bramley Way) right to the entrance to the site. This would at least stop young children running into the road, and also stop older children possibly idly stepping out in front of a truck. (while listening to his ipod thingy on headphones)
There could obviously be breaks for crossing the road, but it may just solve some of the problem. It would also stop the parking along there as well.
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:33:25
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| Apples, Sorry, i'll have to disappoint you here and say that that's a siily idea... |
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apples
Junior Member
21 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:44:14
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| I knew someone would say that, but can you tell me why its silly? |
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Commuter
Senior Member
United Kingdom
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:55:52
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| Because by the time it has been agreed upon, the tenders go out, a contractor is decided upon and the barriers are installed the project will be complete. |
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 22:58:04
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| £85 per m3 and the same to dispose of it |
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apples
Junior Member
21 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 23:03:48
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ok Anthony, point taken
Otherwise, it wasnt such a bad idea though was it? |
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anthony
Average Member
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 23:42:12
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| No, a sensible enough idea and maybe something councils should consider when deciding upon construction traffic routes. I recently finished a school project in Bognor and the construction traffic had to enter the site via a housing estate which was far from ideal. Barriers would have certainly made things safer. |
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apples
Junior Member
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Posted - 28 Aug 2009 : 23:45:35
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There you go then.
perhaps this could be considered then.
Perhaps there could be a way that action could be speeded up and some barriers put up ev en as a temporary measure, at least to ensure some safety initially.
what do the campaigners think about this idea?
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carole
Average Member
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 11:03:32
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There are so many issues which have come to light as a result of WSCC agreeing to the traffic using Bramley Way as a route for lorries and cranes for the building of the new facility at the school. One important issue is the lack of consultation with the residents affected. There were meetings about the building at the school, and notices were put into the local paper, the parish council office and that was considered enough by the powers that be. They have informed the populace - they have ticked the box bureaucratically. But a better way of informing people of the routes the lorry would take, would be to put information through the letter boxes. Then everyone is informed. Bob ingram said that they had put letters of information through some letterboxes - 3 to be exact! If the CountyCouncil can pay lip service to democracy in this way, then this issue affects all of us.
I feel that putting barriers up on the streets would be like living in a police state. Would anyone like to live in this way? One of my reasons for moving here was to enjoy a peaceful life, to be able to park outside my own house, and feel safe.....
The lorries etc would be using the roads from 8.00a.m - 6.00 pm - Cars start to arrive along Bramley Green to take children to and from Angmering school, and to take children to and from Bramley Green to the Primary Schools at times during the day (8-9 and 3-4).Children also walk along the road. Can you imagine the chaos with holdups at the pinch points - already some lorries have been seen to mount the pavements to continue their passage. Whilst we were talking with WSCC officials we had examples of backed-up cars needing to reverse in order for the lorries to get through, and that was during the holiday period - what it would be like in the 'rush-hour' I can't image.
Because the roads are not adopted by the council any damage done to the infrastructure of the road and services would have to be corrected by the developers who are responsible for the roads at the moment. Apparently the County Council have been trying to contact them for years, to make amendments to the traffic calming methods to try and ensure a 20 mph speed limit - can you imagine how easy it would be to make them repair roads etc....They have built the estate, they have their money, there is a recession.......WSCC say that they will repair any damage - but do we have that in writing? And what about the houses shaking - as some residents have reported already.
WE are asking for a meeting with WSCC with the people who have the power to make decisions. We are requesting that alternative routes be found into the school, which will not affect residential roads - even if it means building another temporary access road. This should have all been part of the project plans, and should have been costed accordingly.
I would ask any of you to put yourselves in our position, and to consider if you would like this to be happening in your vicinity. We hope to have a public meeting with WSCC very soon, on all of this. The fact that the roads on Bramley Green have not been adopted for the past five years, and we have all been paying our Council Tax is another matter for consideration.
Phew - I hope that has answered some of the comments I have read, and I have tried to put my viewpoints across. I hope that the village will give us some support on this. Carole
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carole
Average Member
United Kingdom
79 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 11:27:20
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| I just wanted to convey my best wishes to Felicia, and to encourage her in her work for the village. It was refreshing to read her comments, and to see her standing her ground against the negativity which is often expressed on these forums. I hope to hear more from her at the next Parish Council Meeting around the issue of supporting the residents of Bramley Green, which after all is part of the village of Angmering. |
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GrumpyGirl
Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 17:01:31
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